What’s up Vancouver? Why is it so hard to meet friends (and lovers) here?
So…just because I am married and have kids, doesn’t mean that The Thirties Grind is all about those in my demographic who are in a relationship situation. I have many friends who are in their 30s and happily single…some are not so happy. What I hear over and over again is that Vancouver is a terribly hard place to meet and make friends. I’ve listened to many, many complaints from out of town visitors and immigrants that although Lotus Land is far from lacking in things to do and see, it is next to impossible to find someone to do them with. People stay very isolated to their own little groups, making it difficult for newcomers to find a place to fit in. So if it’s that difficult to just find a group of friends, it would seem logical that Vancouver is also a really hard place to meet that SPECIAL someone.
The Vancouver Sun recently ran an article exploring this phenomenon. In it they interviewed 3 bright, successful women who have all found Vancouver a challenging place to meet and date men. One of the proposed reasons for our city’s shortfalls in this category was that there is a “lack of sexuality” in Vancouver. People here, it was insinuated, are cold and stand off-ish compared to other places (Florida was one example). Furthermore, the men interviewed for the article said they found the women in Vancouver intimidating:
“This is typical of a woman’s online profile: here’s a picture of me on top of a mountain, here’s one of me winning an award, here’s me in Vegas. It’s like, wow, don’t you ever sit on a patio and have a beer or hang out and cook a meal? I’m not even going to contact you because I’m too ordinary.”
So, Vancouver women supposed to dumb themselves down to make themselves more attractive to Vancouver men? Are we really too wrapped up in our accomplishments and not focused enough on appearing relatable? What is it? It seems the men are not approaching the women because they are intimidated by them and the women are, as a result, finding the men in Vancouver to be stand off-ish and lacking in sexuality?
I’m not in the dating scene, so I would love to hear your thoughts. What is it about Vancouver that makes dating difficult? Is it the men? The women? A perfect storm of dating imperfection? What gives, people?
I have a young friend (26 years old) with huge problems with finding a girlfriend. His not bad looking or anything but women are extremely hostel towards him even when his nice to them. They act like their princess’s and deserve a rich men. His almost given up hope and says he might be alone forever. You have to be clubbing and going to restaurants constantly to impress girls these days.
It is extremely hard as a woman, especially if you’re not in Vancouver itself. Unless you’re willing to give up your weekends to live downtown, there are very few places to meet men. And when you do get downtown, you’re compared constantly to Yaletown standards.
I can completely get this, all my single friends (I am on 24 so I have a few of em lol) say how hard it is. I am sure it is just an overall attitude of expectancy when it comes to looks, money, behavior. I think you nailed it with calling it a “perfect storm”.
I am in the same situation as you – married, kids with a ton of single friends. However, mostly all of them are women and not high maintenance. I have heard that Vancouver women outnumber men 3-1 here? Never seen any stat to back that though. They have no problem meeting men in Calgary, Toronto and Seattle but Vancouver a different story.
First of all, women far outnumber men here. I have heard 3 to 1 and as high as 20 to 1 for “professional” single women to single men. I am single, in my 40′s, have pretty much given up on it. Have tons of great single girlfriends. I have found the men to be standoffish, needy, “in between jobs”, “intimidated” by any woman with a paycheque and a brain. I think that last one is one of the things that make Vancouver different from some other big cities like Toronto, Calgary, New York etc. I’ve never heard so many men say they find women intimidating and I don’t think Vancouver women are particularly intimidating. I did find that excerpt funny though because honestly I find the same thing in the men’s dating profiles: “I don’t necessarily need a woman who can run a marathon but she should be able to at least join me for a nice 10K run” – followed by a long list of all the other “activities” she must be able to keep up with, while of course not being too intimidating.
I found it was not so much about meeting men, it was about getting them to commit – lol! I’m married now but when I was single I met lots of men just by doing a lot of stuff, going out, having hobbies, going to parties, working. Just having an active life and not having an attitude. But I found there’s a lot of men in Vancouver who are looking for fun and short-term and not marriage and definitely NOT kids. But I agree that true friendships are hard to make and especially keep in Vancouver. There’s a lot of shallow and self-obsessed people. Just got to focus on the few good ones you have and not waste your energy on the rest, you know?
Im 30, single and date periodically. It’s not too hard to get a date if you just ask. I think the old rules still apply. Women want to be chased a little bit and men need some courage to ask. Heck, if she says no, you’re no worse off than you were when you started.
I think both sexes are to blame and to be honest I haven’t found it much different in other cities except Reykjavik (Iceland).
, love to make eye contact and talk to someone on the street. I have found that the men in Vancouver are far more receptive to this (not the gay men) than the woman. To be frank I have found woman to be extremely cold and a little snooty.
What I found here in Vancouver is that there is a huge amount of insecurity in both sexes. I’m a good looking guy and not creepy
I have also travelled extensively and found the woman in other parts of the globe to happier and friendlier. But to be fair I have also noticed that men in other cities are more aggressive and not so laid back.
Vancouver girls have a world wide reputation.
I have been fortunate enough to travel around, meet great people, and enjoy different cities.
You will find that Vancouver women have a world wide reputation as being snooty, standoffish, and unapproachable. More than once have I been in a foreign country hanging out with locals who themselves have traveled to Vancouver. Number one complaint was the women. Not only the attitude, but also the way they interact socially – aka the “bitch” circle.
Few friends standing around in a circle, not letting anyone in, wanting to be left alone and not looked at. Any guy, good looking or not that approaches them is considered a creep or weirdo. This happens every night at venues across town, its a phenomenon exclusive to Vancouver.
Women go out, get dressed up, look good, and then get upset when males are interested in interacting with them. Its insane.
Whats more interesting about this, is that its only a Lower Mainland phenomenon. Visit the Okanagan, or elsewhere in BC and the attitudes are much more welcoming and warm.
Does it have to do with the weather? The upbringing, or is something odd in the water? This I do not know, but its real.
I do not envy those that are young and single here, not the the city to be for more reasons than one.
Hmm, where are all these single girls hiding? Every time I ask someone out the response I get is “sorry, I have a boyfriend.” Even among my friends and co-workers, 90% of them are in relationships lol. The remaining 10% is out of my age range.
[...] And at the other end of Canada.. dating sucks too. [...]
Honestly as much as I myself try to have a conversation with whoever I speak to when I’m out at a bar or restaurant sometimes at some point I’m just not interested. I am always polite and try to excuse myself somehow from the conversation but when in turn I am called a ‘bitch’ or something along that line it’s not hard to wonder why I would be standoffish to most guys. There’s not a lot of respect in this city and I would say it goes both ways.
As a relatively successful, 30 year-old Canadian-born Chinese man, I basically agree with the general tone of the men`s comments about dating in Vancouver. I`m currently in a relationship, but I was single for many years.
The common thread in the Vancouver Sun article as well as the earlier article published by Vancouver Magazine (“Do Vancouver Men Suck?”) is that the main subjects are WASP-y type women who only want to dip their feet in a shallow pond of available men in this city (my guess is WASP-y, white-collar men between the ages of 28-40.) In a city whose population consists of sizable proportion of two visible minority groups (East Asian and South Asian), most women shouldn’t be so narrow-minded. Metro Vancouver is full of minority female/Caucasian male couples, but you don’t see nearly as many the other way around.
When I was single in my 20s, I definitely didn’t fit the stereotype of the asexual Asian male. I was always one of the best-dressed guys at the bar (i.e. I never left home without a blazer and proper shoes), I had an interesting job, I kept myself in good shape, I had a bachelor pad to call my own (as opposed to my mom’s basement), and I could talk at length on most subjects with a dose a wry humour and deadpan delivery thrown in for good measure. I would get dates here and there, but for the most part, I was the odd guy left out. Fortunately, someone has come along in my life to appreciate me for the person I am today, but I’m sure there are countless other guys in this city who were just like me – successful, confident, and articulate but who don’t necessarily fit into the narrow confines of what many single women in this city want (i.e. a white-collar Caucasian/Western-European guy.)
Pretty much everything that Burt said above I concur with. Extensive traveling in my 20′s is what opened up my eyes to just how brutal Vancouver women are as far as being approachable goes.
Absolutely women want to be chased in a non-creepy/slimy way, but the ladies of Vancouver take it to the extreme limit.
When I was dating, there were long droughts of singledom, and I am a very tall, good-looking, professional businessman!
I am married with children now, and not surprisingly I married a non-Vancouverite! When I talk dating with my single guy friends, I tell them not to worry, it’s not them, and I recommend them to just stay away from the Vancouver girls, go traveling or find a foreign girl.
“So, Vancouver women supposed to dumb themselves down to make themselves more attractive to Vancouver men? Are we really too wrapped up in our accomplishments and not focused enough on appearing relatable? What is it? It seems the men are not approaching the women because they are intimidated by them and the women are, as a result, finding the men in Vancouver to be stand off-ish and lacking in sexuality?”
I was in the Vancouver dating scene off and on for a decade, and can echo the sentiments of most of the posters here.
Like many fellow Vancouverites, I found the women to be trying to mask their insecurity and identity issues with cold snottiness and superiority. An insecure woman who hides behind a too-good-for-everyone mask is not conveying the message that she think she is.
A Vancouver woman is a beautiful, slender, healthy woman who looks 5 years younger than her age. She’s walking down W4th, wearing $600 in Lululemon gear, $200 in MAC makeup even though she doesn’t need it, has a $400 haircut from Suki’s, and a magazine-perfect body. Most importantly, though, her arms are folded and she’s scowling.
What she doesn’t realize is that the scowl makes her a 0/10, and that although she is acting like she’s too good for everyone in sight including herself, she will not be good enough for anyone until she gets. over. herself.
You can meet real women in Quebec City. They know who they are and what they want, and they are happy to smile back at you — if only for the pleasure of the exchange. Their attractiveness comes from their confidence and the fact that they are comfortable with themselves. They’re not, like so many Vancouverites, trying to be something that they’re not. (And because they have heard of types of fashion that are not yoga pants or fur boots.)
It wasn’t here long before I realized, as many do, that if I was going to form any kind of meaningful relationship it would probably have to be with someone “from away”, who hadn’t yet been sullied by the Vancouver culture of insecure snotty bitches. I’m lucky to have a wonderful partner who is good and kind and sweet and warm (and sexy as hell) in every way that a Vancouver woman is not.
This post is a broad generalization, of course, and in a metropolis of 2.3 million people there are a lot of great, great people. I am talking about the majority, or possibly the standouts that give everyone else a bad name.
PS By way of empathy, Vancouver guys are douchebags. The swear filter is turned off so I cannot emphasize how douchey they are, but I am certain that they set some kind of world standard for douche nozzling. I don’t have words to describe the lack of masculinity that permeates straight men in Vancouver. (Don’t know about the gay guys.)
PPS Regarding references to Vancouver women being intimidating, they are not. Cold and snotty =! intimidating. Standing on top of a mountain or going to vegas =! intimidating. Trying to be intimidating =! intimidating.
I’m a guy. While I agree it’s tough to date in Vancouver, some of the comments are ridiculous. Women outnumber men 3 to 1? Google Vancouver demographics. It looks pretty even to me.
Honestly… Women have to lower their standards. If you can’t get a date then it’s probably because you’re rejecting too many guys.
I think the men’s comments on this column are ridiculous. I am a 33 year single old woman with my own business. I have LIVED abroad in Asia and Europe and traveled extensively.
In the cities I’ve lived in and traveled to I have always found it easy to meet men. The issue is that men in Vancouver are not aggressive.
In bars in the States or Europe if a guy appreciates the way you look, he’ll buy you a drink and come over and chat. If you’re not interested he gives you a smile, a nice to meet you and walks away. In Vancouver if a guy buys you a drink he expects you to sit beside him for the rest of the night. Really is that how it works, you buy me an $8 drink and I’m yours for the night against my will? If I don’t want to be I’m a bitch right? Thanks but you’ve chosen to buy me a drink, I didn’t ask for it, sorry if I’m not interested. It’s safer just to buy my own damn drink.
At the end of the day we might pay half the mortgage and can certainly buy our own drinks, but a man who makes the first move is attractive and we all want to think we’re going to find one who’ll throw us up against a wall at some point. So guys take your panties off and get out there….
And just a little tip for the guy who commented on women standing in circles, those women are on “girls nights out.” They’re not being snobby they’re just trying to catch up with their friends. So read the body language and don’t take it personally, it’s not always about you.
I found this article very interesting. Although I am no longer in the dating scene I do agree Vancouver can be a tough place to meet people. However I think if you want something you have to be aggressive and put yourself out there. I’ve travelled to a lot of big cities in North America and I have to say Vancouver in my opinion have the most beautiful women in the world! They live a healthy lifestyle and they look damn good in those lululemon pants! Afterall my wife is from Vancouver and turning 40 this year still looks as good as the day I met her.
I have been single for 5 years after being married for 20. If you think it is tough to meet a man if you are in your thirties, it’s even tougher in your 50′s. Even when I am out with people my own age, the women always outnumber the men and the men never approach. When I was Ireland last year a man approached my fiend and I and started talking to us. This rarely happens in Vancouver. He and I have kept in touch and I am invited to stay with him while i am in Europe again later this month. I am told I am very attractive and I am anything but “snooty”. I am very outgoing and participate in many activities but rarely meet any single men. So here is it a Sat night on a beautiful summer evening and I’m sitting at home wondering why it’s so hard to meet men in Vancouver!
Cathryn…Irish men rule. I can attest to this…my amazing hubby is from Dublin!
Well I would have to agree more with the guys but it does go both ways. I moved here 10 years ago and still haven’t had a woman approach me yet, so untill they show me different I think woman need to open up more and atleast say hello. I am in my early 30′s, family oriented, own buisness and good looking. Some reason some woman will give out their numbers but will never text or answer their phone, still gets me. But there are men that do need to speak up more like myself.
Those women who claim men are not “aggressive enough” need to be a bit less self righteous ( you know its not against the law for some of you women to also initiate conversation with men you like, what makes you so special lol ? ) and be more self critical and ask themselves why single men refuse to waste their time with pursuing many “cold” single women here. It certainly is not because all men are too laid back for their own good,or too timid ( cant handle rejection and tremble and sweat their guts out at the sight of an amazing woman) or perhaps way too stoned to observe the existence of single great women here lol. No! The reason has more to do with the atmosphere of deliberate “aloofness” and “beyond reach” that many women tend to project in Vancouver, hence many men think ” this ain’t worth my time”, where is the friendly vibe for starters ? . You cant argue that. I am somewhat of a world traveler, crisscrossed US, Europe, Turkey, parts in Africa and I certainly can say from experience overseas there is a much better vibe out there when it comes to meeting new people and women, there is a natural openness between men and women there. Vancouver at heart is really very conservative and if you think the opposite, then ask yourself why there is also almost no interracial dating in this city which claims to be world class, how do you explain it lol? If you have ever been to New York, London or Europe you will understand what I am getting at , but if you never have or you really think that rain drenched Vancouver is the epitomy of civilization, good luck with that lol.
We have to remember that we are living in Hollywood North. A lot of Canadians that want to be stars come to Vancouver. Most people that want to be a star are pretty superficial. Also in Vancouver women are not only competing with women, but we are competing with men. When you take that into account what is the true ratio.
first sorry for my broken english. definitely the vibe in Vancouver for meeting women is really really bad. I have traveled/lived in many different cities and the vibe is so different on many environment for meeting girls. I used to go clubbing alot when i was younger, and vancouver by far is the worst for meeting girls. Their body language, their reaction, the way they look and the way they talk is like they are warning u not to get close.(i mainly focus asian girls, but i feel the white girls is not as friendly compare to other place too(only robot like friendliness like keeps the door open before u or say thank u thank u w straight face and no more talk) U will immediately feels the difference went u go to other cities. For place like Taiwan, LA, Korea, China, Malaysia, u feel the girls there are more welcoming, they play harding and have more smile on their face, u can easily talk to them and have fun. In LA, people go clubbing for partying and get high, very easy to interact with girls and have fun.(vancouver, girls stare at u with straight face or look away, they look more similar to the security guard who go there for duty) In taiwan, girls there are quite nice, u get their phone number even in 7 eleven(u but need to know how to speak mandarin like me), korea, girls are polite, they usually smile and have eye contact and knock when u get into the same elevator(their english no very good but we can still talk and know each other, in Vancouver, also many different elevators, not as nice, usually avoid eye contact), In Malaysia, easily meet girls on the nearby booth at an exhibition, and clubbing together and meet more people. (strangers are also much nicer in the club compare to uncover) In China, easy, (use the Wechat apps and meet many girls around u, China has too many people and too easy to meet girls.) girls will even approach u on many different kind situations if u are decent enough.(beware, so are for $$ , some are hookers and some for committing crime $$, but u will know it if u have more experience. In Vancouver, asian girls maybe only want to date some chinese guy with super rich dad, living in west side and driving Ferraris, if u are not, too bad, they dont really want to talk to u.
I was born and raised here in Vancouver. Im 43, never married, no kids, visible minority, and I have traveled the world…the whole world, and Vancouver women are considered the WORST in Canada, North America and the world. I have long given up the hope of meeting someone here and getting married.
I am in the process of moving this week to Europe, and not coming back.
Well, it’s hard to say. I am a man and I think I’m attractive and I know I could be more assertive, however I often see woman and I look at them to make eye contact, but they hardly do, so i get to the point where i can’t be bothered to any more. Also i find some woman just to be plain rude, sometime i think they don’t mean to be, maybe they’re just shy, but even shy people aren’t necessarily rude. And i get that i’m not every woman type and I also get that some women have boyfriends or husbands, but i think when it happens enough, even if every situation is for a different reason, eventually you just can’t be bothered any more. The best situations are when there is a mutual vibe, i haven’t had that yet. Coming from Toronto I haven’t completely experienced this. You know day to day is different, on the street or out in public can’t always be expected to meet people, it’s a big city and that’s city life, however when it comes to a more social setting , i like work, or an activity of some sort and woman just don’t chat and you never really get the chance to find out if they are single, married, or interested or not interested. Recently i was at a BCL and a woman in front of me turned at she was leaving and smiled at me. After i paid for my purchase and left the store i looked for her but she was gone. But that’s okay it made my day. So I think it’s both men and woman and people themselves. And i have hope that there are is some one out there for every one.
I’ve been to 33 countries and I’ve lived in Vancouver for 20 years. I gave up on the local girls years ago, they are a waste of time. Even if they liked me, I don’t like them. If I join a dating site here I will get a few messages from divorced, overweight cougars that have kids that are all over 18. If I write messages to girls I like, the girls won’t even respond. Mean while, if I join a dating site in Asia, I am flooded with thousands of messages from girls 18 and over pleading with me to meet them. In a 3 week holiday in SEA I had more success with girls than I did here in 20 years, and these were hot young girls I met online or out and about that chased me! I had girls in the malls giving me their phone numbers without me even asking! I have had quite good success here with girls, ironically all of them foreigners. I’m actually leaving Vancouver for SEA this summer for many reasons, one of them the girls. Girls in Vancouver are not what nature intended girls to be, they are feminists that don’t even know what they want. Standards of beauty, femininity, in not only Vancouver, but Canada and the anglosphere are very low. Go to Asia or mainland europe and your life will change for the better if you a guy. Forget Vancouver and Canadian or Anglo women, they are only after your money. It will never get any better here, it will only get worse. Even all the rules here are absurdly in favour of girls. Getting married here or even living with a girl is not worth it, even in common law, after 2 years they own half your stuff. When I think back on all the years I wasted here either lonely or chasing stupid girls I want to cry. Feminims has taught western women to be equal to men, not only in jobs, but in behaviour and attitudes. Standards of beauty and feminity in Canada are abysmal. Just look at Air Canada and Westjet flight attendants, they wouldn’t even get a job interview in Asia. Girls in Asia are like a different gender. Sweet, feminine, petite, and flirtatious that treat guys as equals, not as enemies.
Wow. Just. Wow.
Yep, I have been here for 10 years now and I can’t wait to leave. I recently visited my home country of Australia and I totally forgot how nice it was to be able to talk to everyone and anyone without getting that awkward look, or feeling. Back home everyone will involve the person beside them, unlike here where you won’t even get a hello:( AND, I’m a very talkative person who doesn’t have a hard time making friends, though when it comes to meeting a girl outside of your social or work circle, forget about it. Every Vancouver girl I have been in a relationship with is either a narcissist from being raised not having to lift a finger, or is always just looking for something better. Whenever you approach a Vancouver girl they automatically think you’re trying to sleep with them! I’m the least intimidating, welcoming, genuine person, hell I’m a nurse, and I was raised to treat everyone equally. So, for these snooty little Vancouver princesses to automatically think I’m a dirt-bag/loser/no money or whatever it is that goes through their heads when a stranger approaches them is offensive. And for that article that saying Vancouver men dress bad or are lazy BULLs*&T! Myself and my friends have better dress sense than most of the Van girls getting around in their LuLu’s and Uggs. Right now I have obligations keeping me here for the next 2 years. As soon as I get the opportunity I’m leaving, because why waste a short life in a city that has no soul or heart, and is obscenely over-priced. WAKE UP VANCOUVER and VANCOUVER GIRLS GET OVER YOURSELVES!
This is an interesting topic.I am an immigrant from Mainland China and landed in Vancouver in 2011. I am single and would like to meet a caring, responsible and interesting single man who is ready to settle down within a year.However since I arrived in this beautiful city, many a few people told me it is hard to find a decent man here, many of them just want to date or have casual relationship, but nothing serious. I am 33 and ready to meet an ordinary looking man(white or Chinese) with a stable job.But frankly, since I do not have the chance to work in a canadian company right now(used to work for a chinese company), I really do not know how to meet decent guys around my age,so in my experience, it is not easy to even have a decent date with guys.
Vancouver is just not going to work for me anymore when it comes to meeting people , making friends , Girlfriend NEVER EVER EVA . Its crazy even with my latin singer looks and the down to earth , caring personality and even if i act approachable , women here ARE SO UNAPPROACHABLE And if they want to approach , they THINK BEING APPROACHABLE IS Like Keeping TO THEMSELVES WHILE FOLDING THEIR DEFENSIVE ARMS AND FLEXING THEIR THIRD EYE Showing GUYS HOW BUSY AND Independant they are and Acting like smiling is the last thing they would do , IM SORRY BUT U CANCITY WOMEN Need alot of perspective and secondly The mass immigration of this city from SEA Cultures , i have noticed women from there to only keep to guys from their cultures , i dont see interracials here , No life nothing here … The people are very Easy to Block you off their social circles and whoever says that in cities people are like that and what not , Sure but if thats the case how can a small size city like vancouver with only a 2 million size population and trust me i have while commuting seen the same people on trains or streets and smiled at them ,,BIG EYES CREEP Etc.. what i got ..Vancouver is a small town compared to NYC And how the hell can it be Like this then .. anyways TO ALL U VANCITY WOMEN I HOPE U STAY HERE TO AL U UNFRIENDLY FOLKS PLS STAY HERE ..For now enough is enough Im moving within a week or so..
It’s a persistent myth that the ratio of single women far exceeds the ratio of single men. The actual ratio of m/w is 97/100. Yes, slightly more women than men. But if you check carefully, there are usually more single women than single men in most major cities in Canada.
Also bare in mind, you will not be compatible with many single members of the opposite sex (too young, too old, lives too far away, etc).
I’m not from here but have lived here for several years. From my own personal observation, I find the local born women are simply standoffish, too self involved and have a sense of entitlement. The men suffer from ‘Peter Pan’ syndrome and are often passive or put little effort into dating.
Despite the odds, I have found my soul mate. We are both not ‘locals’ but have lived here for many years.
IPeople who have been eternally single rarely look at themselves as the root of the problem. Perhaps you need to lose weight and cultivate a more ‘polished’ look. Yes, we live in a shallow society – looks matter. Smile more. Focus on the positive rather than the negative. Look at a person’s inner qualities and quit focusing only on ‘credentials’ or unrealistic standards of beauty. Some guys think they are ‘settling’ if they go for a ’7′ as oppose to a ’8′ or ’9′.
My advice to women – be polite about rejecting guys when they approach you in a public place. Don’t hang out with a bunch of girlfriends in public if you are interested in meeting men. Men don’t want to get shot down in front of everybody. No need to be nasty or mean. Men – you need to be more proactive and put some planning into a date. Don’t string women along if you are not interested in a long term relationship.
I have lived in Vancouver for almost 7 years now -originally from Europe-and I found both men and women are just not interested in committing to anything in general,let alone anyone. I don’t think “committment” is part of the Vancouverites’ vocabulary and that they actually know the meaning of this word.
In regards to the dating scene, it is largely NSA and pretty shallow too. If you don’t run a marathon or go to the gym at 6.00 am everyday, you are not dating-material here!
As a woman, I found men to be incredibly passive and terrified by a little bit of smarts and personnality.
I haven’t given up on finding the right person for me, but it may not be in Vancouver!
Blueberry, I’ll gladly take you out on a date, and we can just sit and release all of our Vancouver frustrations out!
ottom line is this….Vancouver women USED to be nice and friendly, but the last 10 or so years ? Forget it ! I am admittedly a VERY avg looking guy, and throughout the 1980′s, all a guy had to do was a) be friendly, b)dress nice, not necassarily fancy, and be interested in the woman. The result was dating no problem, they’d go do stuff, have fun. Something has changed with the HUGE amt of $$$$ now needed to survive in this city. A good example is a bus driver friend who CANNOT tell girls he meets what he does. Why ? As soon as he does, they lose interest. This was NOT the case in the 1980′s and early 90′s….a guy with an avg. job could GET girls…. This is NOT opinion, its fact, so unless you are earning over 100K, forget Vancouver women…its better to move !
Everything in moderation, including moderation.
Whatever THAT means…..and nice refudiation of my points ! I was downtown just last night and spoke to several individuals from varying parts of the Lower Mainland and of Canada in fact…..I was saying these things to them about how its changed (womens’ friendliness, ease of casually dating with them, etc). All either agreed or understood when explained. Sadly its very accurate, and the fact that more has changed negatively in this regard the past decade than the previous say 30 years remains just one (more) aspect of a diminishing Vancouver scene !